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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, November 30 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1413<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Skills<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
Re: What kind of... (was Skipping)<BR>
Police Ranks<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
Re: early christian writings and roman rumors...<BR>
Re: Eris' Computers<BR>
Sci fi films<BR>
Re: Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12) <BR>
Re: Skipping<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1403<BR>
Re: Police Ranks<BR>
Re: Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12)<BR>
Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Re: Skills<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Re Latin<BR>
Re LEO's<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:42:27 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Skills<BR>
<BR>
Will Hostman wrote:<BR>
> Keep in mind most serious musician types really do<BR>
> dedicate about 2/3rds or<BR>
> more of their high-school free time to practice.<BR>
> Most are good by high<BR>
> school.<BR>
<BR>
Which brings up something I've been thinking of... I<BR>
recently read an article where some people studied<BR>
what makes a good sportsperson, was it genetic, etc...<BR>
and they found the most common predictor of<BR>
national-level performance was plain old practice.<BR>
That level is reached by about 10,000 hours of<BR>
training, usually 20 hours a week over 10 years<BR>
(sounds a lot, but as Will said, many can reach this<BR>
quite early.) I've a sense the same would be true for<BR>
musicians and other artists. The article also said<BR>
that sometimes the person was a master of their sport,<BR>
but had less training, but it was usually found they'd<BR>
trained elsewhere in other sports, eg a famous<BR>
pole-vaulter in Australia began as a gymnast...<BR>
<BR>
So what skill level does this correspond to in Trav?<BR>
I'm imagining Level 6 for T4... <BR>
<BR>
Sorry to bring up the whole "realism" question, I'm<BR>
just trying to associate real skill levels with game<BR>
mechanics ones...<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:45:53 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>or "Captain" in the UK system, and the US uses "Chief of Police" rather<BR>
than<BR>
>"Commissioner of Police", since there is no monarch to receive a commission<BR>
>from.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Ah, so that's where it comes from!<BR>
<BR>
Anyhow, we *do* have Commissioners here in America. In Gotham City there's<BR>
Commissioner Gordon (he should be hitting retirement any day now). There was<BR>
also a short-lived TV series on one of the major networks called "The<BR>
Commish", which concerned itself with the exploits of a pleasant, lovable<BR>
and awfully *round* Police Commissioner. I think that Philadelphia has a<BR>
Commissioner, but now that I think of it, I'm not all that sure.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:51:49 -0700<BR>
From: Clay <arioch@theriver.com><BR>
Subject: Re: What kind of... (was Skipping)<BR>
<BR>
>Kyle replies:<BR>
>A bunch of PCs with a "exact business plan and<BR>
>itenary"? What kind of adventures are you running????<BR>
<BR>
A Scouts campaign  :)<BR>
<BR>
And they don't own their ship, naturally.  Heh heh<BR>
<BR>
Clay<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:49:51 +1000<BR>
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Police Ranks<BR>
<BR>
The conversation so far:<BR>
<<<<BR>
>>Recruit<BR>
>>Police Officer/Detective<BR>
>>Corporal/Detective Investigator<BR>
>>Sergeant/Detective Sergeant<BR>
>>Lieutenant<BR>
>>Commander<BR>
>>Captain<BR>
>>Deputy Inspector<BR>
>>Inspector<BR>
>>Assistant Chief<BR>
>>Vice Chief<BR>
>>Bureau Chief<BR>
>>Chief of Department<BR>
<BR>
>So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit in ?<BR>
<BR>
Different organization entirely.  Sheriff's Departments are<BR>
generally at the county level, and often focus on _code_<BR>
enforcement rather than _law_ enforcement, and deal in civil<BR>
actions.  Thus, the massive ticket-and-tow operations when double<BR>
parking gets out of control in an area are usually under the<BR>
Sheriff's command; so is the service of subpoen? or eviction<BR>
notices - even though there will be cops involved with both.<BR>
>>><BR>
<BR>
Depends where you are. In New South Wales , Australia , the whole system is<BR>
different.<BR>
<BR>
Ranks:<BR>
1. Probationary Constable<BR>
2. Constable  / Detective Constable (one ceveron)<BR>
2. Senior Comstable / Detective Senior Constable (two ceverons)<BR>
3. Segeant / Detective Sergeant (Three ceverons)<BR>
4. Station Sergeant (Three ceverons and a crown, similar to Army Senior<BR>
Sergeant)<BR>
5. Inspector /Detective Inspector<BR>
6.Chief Inspector / Detective  Chief Inspector<BR>
7. Deputy Comisiorner<BR>
8. Comisioner<BR>
<BR>
The NSW police is a state base organisation (State Trooper in US Terms) but<BR>
there is no local police force (Local Governments use Rangers, these are low<BR>
level enforcements).<BR>
<BR>
The Courts however, has Sherrifs (a bit like the Sheriff of Nottingham in<BR>
mentatlity) used to protect the court facilities, as well as enforcing court<BR>
orders outside the perview of the Police (generally evictions).<BR>
<BR>
IMHO , in Traveller this is a better system , as it differentiates from military<BR>
ranks but is equivelent to military ranks. Other nationalities have different<BR>
rank systems, and can be subsituted if desired (The French police ranks could be<BR>
fun if I knew what they where).<BR>
<BR>
Darryl<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:03:51 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com><BR>
<BR>
>>So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit<BR>
in ?<BR>
<BR>
>The sheriff is an elected position, typically the <BR>
>highest in a county(or parish). Small sheriff <BR>
<BR>
Before we get too far into Yanks-and-Brits in Space,<BR>
let's remember that law enforcement can occur under a<BR>
large variety of paradigms.  In rural areas today, for<BR>
example, law enforcement may be in the hands of a<BR>
locally-based person or organization (sheriff,<BR>
headman, constable), or of a representative of the<BR>
central government (like a U.S. Marshall), or of the<BR>
military, or of paramilitary organizations (and not<BR>
just death squads).  To what extent can character<BR>
generation give different flavors to these<BR>
experiences?<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:27:39 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Jory Earl <j-man@iname.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:36 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> You bring up a very good point.  Being one of those 'bible' people myself,<BR>
I<BR>
> do tend to look at it from the paradigm that is biased towards its<BR>
accuracy.<BR>
> However it has been pointed out to me that VERY biased people did the<BR>
> translating.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Heheheheh... and here I was thinking it was just and adventure novel that<BR>
someone took to seriously and it caught on! ;^)<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:11:58 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Eris' Computers<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Eris said:<BR>
>I might could drop from thousands to hundreds and have the<BR>
>mid range programs in the hundreds and the low end programs in the<BR>
>tens and single digits. I'll think about it.<BR>
<BR>
Try using Function Points. A single program is probably going to be less than<BR>
100 FP's. A big, integrated editing suite might be 1000 FP's. Almost no supplier<BR>
makes a suite larger than 10,000 FP's. An entire set of software (that is,<BR>
everythng from m/f systems to minis to client/server to PC apps) for a large<BR>
government department may be over 30,000 FP's.<BR>
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http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:16:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Sci fi films<BR>
<BR>
- --- david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au wrote:<BR>
> Dear Folks -<BR>
> <BR>
> Frank said:<BR>
> >Add in that film that Sean Connery is embarrassed<BR>
> by, and a few others, and<BR>
> >we have quite a nice little line in "tacky" SF.<BR>
David told him:<BR>
> Zardoz, by John Boorman.<BR>
<BR>
Kyle adds:<BR>
But one Connery can be proud of is "Outland", set on a<BR>
mining colony on Io where he's Sheriff. I liked it for<BR>
the dull, industrial feel of it, which I think more<BR>
accurately represents what space travel is likely to<BR>
look like and be like for the people doing it: more<BR>
that than the toothpaste-tube cleanliness of Star Trek<BR>
or Star Wars.<BR>
<BR>
Reminds me of that great scene in "Armageddon" where<BR>
the Russian cosmonaut claims he can fix the American<BR>
equipment, they say, "No, it's American components,<BR>
you won't know how to use them." He barges in and<BR>
starts hitting the equipment: "American components<BR>
(bash!) Russian components (bash!) all (bash!) made in<BR>
(bash) Taiwan! (bash! machine starts up again)" Sounds<BR>
right to me.<BR>
<BR>
Also explains why IMTU, as in another thread, ships<BR>
are much cheaper than in T4, et al!:)<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:07:52 -0600<BR>
From: Tom Bont <felix@felixcafe.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12) <BR>
<BR>
> With all the talk about solar racing a while back, I decided to build solar<BR>
> sails into the next version of GT: Shipyard. Here is the fastest ship I<BR>
> could design, just the bridge/systems module and a light sail, held<BR>
> together by a super-light hull.<BR>
<BR>
What a really cool ship!<BR>
<BR>
I really just wanted to test my new linux machine, but I thought I would pass<BR>
out some praise while I was at it :)<BR>
<BR>
I really do like it, though (the ship ... not the machine).<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:20:40 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Skipping<BR>
<BR>
>From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
<BR>
> Kyle replies:A bunch of PCs with a "exact business <BR>
>plan and itenary"? What kind of adventures are you <BR>
>running????<BR>
<BR>
Actually, when I was first hearing of Traveller back<BR>
in 1978 or so, my good friend James Polk showed me the<BR>
business plan he had drawn up for his Free Trader.  A<BR>
lot of the D&D people that we hung out with said that<BR>
Traveller was the most boring role-playing game ever. <BR>
"All you do is, you go around and pay your debts,"<BR>
said one.  <BR>
<BR>
I never ended up in a boring campaign, but then I<BR>
never put myself in the position of having to draw up<BR>
business plans.  I left that to the players who liked<BR>
it.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:29:32 +0100<BR>
From: Jens Rydholm <jenry023@student.liu.se><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1403<BR>
<BR>
Darryl wrote:<BR>
> IFAIK : Luke was an eyewittness of some of Jesus's last days<BR>
<snip><BR>
<BR>
You're wrong. As we all know, Luke was a farmer boy, who met an old<BR>
wizard. This old wizard once knew Luke's father, and...<BR>
<BR>
Sorry, couldn't resist being silly. It's half past four (AM) right now.<BR>
<BR>
:-)<BR>
<BR>
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:25:35 -0800<BR>
From: Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Police Ranks<BR>
<BR>
david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au wrote:<BR>
> For a different take on the Police, see my version of Police for MegaTraveller.<BR>
> <BR>
> Go to my website, then ==> Tavonni Repair Bays ==> Police Characters for<BR>
> MegaTraveller.<BR>
<BR>
Oh, damn it all. I'm trying to get my article locked down so Jeff <BR>
can put it on Freelance Traveller, and here you go stirring up <BR>
my brain. Thanks. :) <BR>
<BR>
> BTW, one of my sources was "Law Enforcer Characters", a TML article by none<BR>
> other than Jeff Zeitlin back in 1995.<BR>
<BR>
Jeff, you've been holding out on me. Is this available online?<BR>
<BR>
- -Russell Bornschlegel<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:10:12 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12)<BR>
<BR>
On 11/28/99 at 11:37 PM,  Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca> said:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12)<BR>
<BR>
>Crew: 1 bridge crew<BR>
<BR>
>2 USL, DR 100, Cockpit, 2 Light Sails<BR>
<BR>
>Statistics: EMass 50.7 tonnes, LMass 50.7 tonnes, Cost: 52.35 MCr,<BR>
>HP: 90, Size Mod: +4<BR>
<BR>
Fifty-two, frigging, *million* credits?  Geeze Louise! <g><BR>
<BR>
>Performance: Accel: 5.7 G<BR>
<BR>
But that's mighty fine acceleration for solar sails.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:06:04 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
>----- Original Message -----<BR>
>From: "Walter Smith" <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
>> I think the biggest problem with the historical credibility of the New<BR>
>> Testament is the fact that most of the people with enough interest in<BR>
>> it to study it's veracity also had a vested interest in proving that<BR>
>veracity.<BR>
>> Quite simply, most of the people who pay serious attention to the Bible<BR>
>> believe that it is accurate (or at least truthful) before they even learn<BR>
>> to read, much less learn how to study history. It's pretty hard for a<BR>
>> skeptic to give that kind of apparent bias the benefit of the doubt.<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>You bring up a very good point.  Being one of those 'bible' people myself, I<BR>
>do tend to look at it from the paradigm that is biased towards its accuracy.<BR>
>However it has been pointed out to me that VERY biased people did the<BR>
>translating.<BR>
<BR>
May I recommend "The Unauthorized Version" by Robin Lane Fox?  A look at<BR>
the bible as history, by a good historian.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:31:10 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
On 11/29/99 at 07:40 PM,  "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit in ?<BR>
<BR>
>The sheriff is an elected position, typically the highest in a county<BR>
>(or parish). <BR>
<BR>
And with budgets to match.  When it comes to power, follow the<BR>
money.  In many counties the Sheriff's budget dwarfs everyone except<BR>
the public school system, and in some it is even higher.<BR>
<BR>
>Small sheriff departments have several deputies who may<BR>
>or may not be civil servants. Large sheriff departments, (in Chicago,<BR>
>for example) provide court bailiffs, serve court papers, and staff <BR>
>jails. Large departments have deputy ranks  like chief deputy,<BR>
>lieutenant deputy, sergeant deputy, etc., sometimes including<BR>
>investigators.<BR>
<BR>
I live in a small county, 100,000 people.  Three towns, Jay with<BR>
2,000, Milton with 8,000 and Gulf Breeze with 10,000.  The rest of<BR>
us live outside any municipality.  All of our law enforcement is<BR>
through the Sheriff's department.  There is a new 40 deputy<BR>
sub-station located a half kilometer from my house.  <BR>
<BR>
Before we got the sub-station this year we were serviced by rolling<BR>
patrols working out of the Sheriff's headquarters 10 km away where<BR>
close to 200 deputy officers were based.  It is costing more, but<BR>
now there are 4 sub-stations sited strategically within the 4,500 sq<BR>
km of the county.  By spreading the deputies out we are getting<BR>
faster response in our outlying areas, and hence better protection.<BR>
<BR>
And outside the big cities this is common all across the US.<BR>
Frontline law enforcement from deputies of the county sheriff's<BR>
departments.  Quick Draw, Boss Hog and Sheriff Andy are all figments<BR>
of urban imaginations when they suggest that's the way things are<BR>
today in non-urban America.<BR>
<BR>
Ob Traveller:  <BR>
1.  Have the PC's run into jurisdictional problems between two or<BR>
more law enforcement agencies.<BR>
<BR>
2.  Confront the players with a different system of law enforcement<BR>
than they are used to in their real lives.  If they are urban, put<BR>
them in an area where there are *no* city cops, only deputy<BR>
sheriffs, or vice versa.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:35:27 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
On 11/29/99 at 05:53 PM,  Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>Darn. I thought you'd have a better story than this one... something along<BR>
>>the lines of "Now I have to call salesmen salespeople" or something like<BR>
>>that. No, you're not seeing a pretty much dead and dusty language being<BR>
>>changed, you're seeing borrowed english words being changed, most likely for<BR>
>>brevity and simplicity. Since lots of folks already go around shortening the<BR>
>>word to "alum" anyway, it's not a real big deal.<BR>
<BR>
>Alum makes a pretty good mordant, especially for goldenrod.<BR>
<BR>
Different pronuncation.  And if you put it in your mouth, you'll<BR>
make it very, *very* small.  <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris,<BR>
    who's father used alum on mouth ulcers...<yuck!!>...and who's<BR>
    grandmother insisted on dosing him with paragaric whenever he<BR>
    came down with a bad cold.  Do you *know* exactly what was in<BR>
    paragaric?  <g><BR>
    <BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:36:25 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy (Colin MIchael)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
> May I recommend "The Unauthorized Version" by Robin Lane Fox?  A look at<BR>
> the bible as history, by a good historian.<BR>
<BR>
Or "Surspised By Joy", by C.S. Lewis, a Sci-Fi writer and infamous atheist.<BR>
<BR>
- -Crusty<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:02:22 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
Eris Reddoch wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >>Since lots of folks already go around shortening the<BR>
> >>word to "alum" anyway, it's not a real big deal.<BR>
> <BR>
> >Alum makes a pretty good mordant, especially for goldenrod.<BR>
> <BR>
> Different pronuncation.  And if you put it in your mouth, you'll<BR>
> make it very, *very* small.  <g><BR>
<BR>
Why is my mental image of this based on classic Warner Brothers'<BR>
cartoons? ;-)<BR>
> <BR>
> Eris,<BR>
>     who's father used alum on mouth ulcers...<yuck!!>...and who's<BR>
>     grandmother insisted on dosing him with paragaric whenever he<BR>
>     came down with a bad cold.  Do you *know* exactly what was in<BR>
>     paragaric?  <g><BR>
<BR>
If you're referring to "paregoric", then yes.<BR>
<BR>
~imagining a cold-stricken seven-year-old Eris on opiates mixed with<BR>
alcohol~<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:05:51 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Skills<BR>
<BR>
On 11/29/99 at 06:42 PM,  Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>So what skill level does this correspond to in Trav?<BR>
>I'm imagining Level 6 for T4... <BR>
<BR>
Oh, for T4 I'd say even higher if you are a "international class"<BR>
athlete.  IMO...<BR>
<BR>
                                      Really Hard<BR>
      Skill  Characteristic   Asset      Task<BR>
GT     20         NA            20  3d6 <= Asset-12      26%<BR>
T4.1    8         10            18    6d <= Asset        28%<BR>
TNE     8         10            18  1d20 <= Asset/4      20%<BR>
MT      5        10/5            7  Asset+2d >= 15       42%<BR>
CT      4         NA             4  Asset+2d >= 12       42%<BR>
<BR>
...or something like that.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:11:41 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>> >Alum makes a pretty good mordant, especially for goldenrod.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Different pronuncation.  And if you put it in your mouth, you'll<BR>
>> make it very, *very* small.  <g><BR>
><BR>
>Why is my mental image of this based on classic Warner Brothers'<BR>
>cartoons? ;-)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
My brother ingested some alum once when he was young, and it had that exact<BR>
effect. He and his friends tried to get unsuspecting neighborhood kids to<BR>
ingest it, but to no avail...<BR>
<BR>
Ah, the trials and tribulations of youth.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:17:36 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
On 11/29/99 at 11:02 PM,  Black ICE <wombat@premier.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>Eris Reddoch wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> >>Since lots of folks already go around shortening the<BR>
>> >>word to "alum" anyway, it's not a real big deal.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> >Alum makes a pretty good mordant, especially for goldenrod.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Different pronuncation.  And if you put it in your mouth, you'll<BR>
>> make it very, *very* small.  <g><BR>
<BR>
>Why is my mental image of this based on classic Warner Brothers'<BR>
>cartoons? ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, it and it looked *just* like that...pucker up! <g><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>> Eris,<BR>
>>     who's father used alum on mouth ulcers...<yuck!!>...and who's<BR>
>>     grandmother insisted on dosing him with paragaric whenever he<BR>
>>     came down with a bad cold.  Do you *know* exactly what was in<BR>
>>     paragaric?  <g><BR>
<BR>
>If you're referring to "paregoric", then yes.<BR>
<BR>
I am...<BR>
<BR>
>~imagining a cold-stricken seven-year-old Eris on opiates mixed with<BR>
>alcohol~<BR>
<BR>
...and I certainly felt *no* pain.  Grandmom had to look after me<BR>
while my parents were at work, so in the morning she'd "dose me"<BR>
with a teaspoon and I was "no trouble" for the whole day.  <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris,<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:22:27 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Latin<BR>
<BR>
>>      Hm.  What I'd really like to do with it is read "amplois ouam<BR>
>> gloriam astribus" as "amplius quam gloria astrorum," which would make the<BR>
>> whole thing translate to "The Rule of Man shines more brilliantly than the<BR>
>> glory of the stars."  Unfortunately, while I can imagine "amplius quam"<BR>
>> being misread as "amplois ouam," the last two words are beyond my ability<BR>
>> to rationalize. <shrug> Perhaps the only book on Latin grammar to survive<BR>
>> until the Rule of Man had some errors in it?<BR>
><BR>
>Is it possible that it's Church Latin, rather than classical? IIRC<BR>
>Church Latin has some weird differences from Classical.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
Amplois is definitely church latin, or a common corruption. I've<BR>
encountered that exact word in a latin dominican-rite Catholic<BR>
sacramentary. (was an alterboy at a dominican run parish, son of the<BR>
deacon, and later a music major, and did a bit of research on gregorian<BR>
chant... and encountered the term. Was told it translated to "to be ample".<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:43:56 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re LEO's<BR>
<BR>
Tommy Grav asks:<BR>
>>That's actually an adapted list; the complete list would be as<BR>
>>follows:<BR>
>><BR>
>>Recruit<BR>
>>Police Officer/Detective<BR>
>>Corporal/Detective Investigator<BR>
[snip]<BR>
>Chief of Department<BR>
<BR>
>So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit in ?<BR>
<BR>
Sheriffs Departments, rural or otherwise, are a parrallel department. THe<BR>
sheriff is (Usually) the Chief of the Department.<BR>
<BR>
In most useages, Police Officer means city or municipal law enforcement<BR>
officer. Sheriffs are  usually elected to head the county sheriff's<BR>
department, and sherfiff's departments typically replace "Police Officer"<BR>
with "Deputy".<BR>
State Troopers typically use "Trooper" in the same place.<BR>
<BR>
Let us look at a typical american "big city", Detroit, Michigan. Detroit<BR>
really is a collage of small cities (typically under 64mi^2). The detroit<BR>
metorplex straddles 3 counties (Wayne, Macomb, and Oakland), with the City<BR>
of Detroit (proper) being in Wayne County. You have the Detroit Metro PD,<BR>
the Wayne County Sherrif's Department, the Macomb County Sheriff's<BR>
Department, and the Oakland County Sheriff's Department. In wayne county<BR>
alone, you also have the following other police departments: Trenton PD,<BR>
Wyandotte PD, Allen Park PD, Licoln Park PD, Taylor PD, Garden City PD,<BR>
Dearborne PD, and Livonia PD (I've seen cars from these in wyandotte; there<BR>
was a Police Officer's funeral a day after my grandfather's funeral), plus<BR>
possibly 5 more PD's. Each county has a number of townships and<BR>
incorporated cities in it, and all of them fall under the Metro PD's<BR>
jurisdiction, as well. The sheriff's are elected by their county, the Metro<BR>
PD Chief is appointed, but I don't know how. I do know the city manager of<BR>
Wyandotte appoints the Wyandotte PD's chief. I also know that on a robbery<BR>
call, DMPD, WPD, and the WCSD all responded, as did a Trenton PD officer<BR>
(The named suspect was from trenton, which was 2 miles down the road.)<BR>
<BR>
In almost all cases, for state crimes, the State Police or State Troopers<BR>
can get involved. Also, most state trooper agencies are specifically<BR>
charged with highway patrol duties. (California also has a separate highway<BR>
patrol, if I understand california correctly).<BR>
<BR>
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